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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 09 Jun 2005 : 07:33:30 AM
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I want to put up this manifesto as something to aim for, it was developed after many emails and phone calls.
If you have any improvements conact us or drop a note at the end.
Any addition or deletions to it but I ask if this reflects the core issues and whether you believe it is workable and will address the problems for Historic racing.
draft 4
RULES
We want a moritorium on the rule changes for 3 years for eligibility and classifications.
COMMISSIONS
To be four members, all postions on the National Historic Commission be filled by people who have a demonstrated ability elected by a majority vote of the State Historic Commissions, and who are sponsored by a club. Commissioners to be elected on a revolving basis so the Commission is never wiped clean of experience.
Notice of vacancies to be placed in the normal outlets and through the State bodies. All applications for positions to be displayed in the normal media locations and internet via the You must be logged in to see this link. and perhaps You must be logged in to see this link. for members to consider for 1 month prior to the election. If a Commissioner resigns the process is started again to replace that one. The current 3 year term to stay [initially with a member leaving each year and one person staying for 4 years ] with members up for renewal afterwards, current commssioners to continue if they meet the above requirements.
No more than 2 commissioners from any state. No direct appointments from MA board are permisible.
The Commission members will be accountable to all members and may be removed if a motion of no confidence is recieved from the majority of the State Historic Commissions and the MA board.
MA BOARD RATIFICATION
If the MA Board chooses to not ratify any reccomendation from the Historic Commissioners an written explanation will be required for each issue, but the issue can be presented again the following year.
MANAGEMENT
No issue can be presented to the Commission for consideration unless it has been circulated around the states and listed on the internet for at least 6 months prior to the annual Commission meeting.
SUBMISSIONS
Any submission to the Commission must be in writing and must include the rationale of the proposal, why it will improve the Historic Racing, the rules effected by the change and the expected impact of the proposal.
We could create a standard document for this.
LOGBOOKS
The current logbook system to remain in place as specified in the GCR's. The assessment,issue and review of logbooks must remain with the National Historic Commission. The National Historic commission may set up a specialist sub committee responsible for the management of the logbooks.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 15 Jun 2005 11:43:32 AM |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2005 : 4:03:34 PM
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Some of you may have noticed some changes to the original statement as improvements are discussed and requested by phone.
An underlying reason behind this request is as follows;
- There is much dissatifaction within Classic Racing
- MA has been accused falsely or truefully of mismanaging Classic Racing
- MA has mentioned in the past that most aggreivation for the MA board comes from the smallest number of riders, Classic Racers and Speedway.
- The numbers of Classic racers are tiny compared with MotoX.
- Classic racers tend to be older more mature people
Our proposal would involve a compromise with the current system that does not seem to be working for Classic Racing, in that it would allow a relatively small group of mature riders manage themselves within the existing structure of MA.
REASONING and BENEFITS
- The National Historic Commisioners make no finance decisions that commit the MA Board to any expenditure, so that cant be a problem.
- All the Commissioners would be accountable to the MA Board and the riders through the State Historic Boards and the State Bodies, and can be removed if they do not perform.
- Because any contencious issues would need to be dealt with directly by those involved, the level of responsibility to get an equitable outcome would be very high.
- Because any issue would have to go through a long public process of advertising and discussion to get up, MA can no longer be held responsible for all the ills of Classic racing.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 11 Jun 2005 8:18:57 PM |
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yamaman
Level 2 Member
Western Australia
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Posted - 11 Jun 2005 : 8:26:27 PM
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You've got my vote John
How do you go about submiting that John, a petition from each club? |
Beer makes you feel like you should feel when your not drinking beer |
Edited by - yamaman on 11 Jun 2005 8:49:22 PM |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2005 : 08:14:43 AM
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Once we feel confident the vast majority of competitors value it we could present it to MA at the upcoming forum and aslo to the mA board for consideration.
The whole idea is to reduce tension between CLassics and the MA Board and develop Classic racing. Currently that is just not possible because of uncertainty, in my opinion.
It will mean Classics have to manage themselves responsibly and show they can. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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yamaman
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Western Australia
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Posted - 15 Jun 2005 : 1:23:01 PM
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that all looks mighty good john apart from this bit,
"The Commission members will be accountable to all members and may be removed if a motion of no confidence is recieved from the majority of the State Historic Commissions and the MA board."
anyone should be allowed to start a no confidience vote not just the people in control coz not all states have state commishs that mean anything or have been elected or even exist. also i'm not sure about the no more than 2 from a state rule, viccy, sa and nsw are the main states so represent most of the riders, we dont want token commish members just so things are correct. it would be good if theres no more than 2 from a state but not absolutly neccessary. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2005 : 11:11:23 PM
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Good points
The whole plan is pretty radical for our sport and may be too hard to adopt, but lets see. With negotiation it could be workable and acceptable to MA. I guess it would remove powewr and responsibility from MA to the National Commissioners who would take the flak if they get it wrong rather than MA.
It is different from any other Commission and may be hard to accept.
I guess any ground swell against a commissioner would start from the bottom anyway, but maybe the state Committees need fixing as well.
Les get others talking too.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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yamaman
Level 2 Member
Western Australia
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Posted - 16 Jun 2005 : 04:39:32 AM
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I see Snoozers point on having the best people for the job, in the job. I still think 1 commish from each state, as it can be hard to vote in someone from another state that you dont know!
The commish comes from the clubs, so each state commish will have its own states point of view and a national view, looking for the best result for the sport.
Just my thoughts. Not many other people seem to be concerned about it, are we wasting our time? |
Beer makes you feel like you should feel when your not drinking beer |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jun 2005 : 07:53:08 AM
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Personaly I dont accept there is any State point of view or any need to have them. If they exist we should cut it out it senseless.
A commissioners performance can be seen by anybody working with them so I dont see it as an issue getting rid on one if they do not pull their weight.
Maybe its better to build up the reasons why therest of the package is worth striving for, you never know we could get lucky. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Alan
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Western Australia
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Posted - 16 Jun 2005 : 11:06:43 PM
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From my point of view Commissioners either with the current system or the proposed on should not have a State or personal opinion, hard though it is they should divorce themselves from those perspectives and focus on the National interest and the long term benefits of the sport.
Take it from me it is very difficult to step away from your roots and not be influenced by club and personal objectives.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA |
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