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acotrel
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Victoria
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 Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 06:22:30 AM
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Last night at the Winton Motorcycle Club, it was agreed to promote an Historic MX event on the new motocross track at Winton Motor Raceway. The club is seeking expressions of interest from owners of classic MX bikes who want to race. In particular suggestions are needed on what support events would be appropriate. This is your opportunity to say what you want from Historic MX!
Anyone wishing to contribute ideas should ring Matthew Ronke on (03) 5766 4235, also ask to be included on the mailing list for this type of event.
Tentative date is the 27th August 2006
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
Secretary
Winton Motorcycle Club
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acotrel
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Victoria
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 06:32:47 AM
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Just though I'd show you the starting gates, they actually work!
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Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 06:35:29 AM
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David, how much should we charge to enter the Historic MX meeting? The starting gates are worth about $14,000!
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
Secretary
Winton mOtorcycle Club |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 08:55:00 AM
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| They can charge what the hell they like, just don't try and hide the charge as you have previously done. |
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 5:14:40 PM
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David, thank you for your permission to charge what we like for a ride on our circuit. I'll place my order for a Gulfstream G450 now. I'll park it at Benalla Airport, and David White and I will fly to all rounds of Mr Motocross!
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
Secretary
Winton Motorcycle Club
P.S. Does an MA comp licence allow me to fly a plane? |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 5:55:07 PM
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Alan, don't take this the wrong way, I want you to take it the right way, as I think you are loosing it again and you are showing it in public which is harming the Winton Motorcycle Club. If this is how the committee members behave, then no wonder people are deciding to leave the club if you are their representative.
You should be "sacked" from the Winton Motorcycle Club's committee as you simply can not handle the position when the club is questioned on what appears to be what some think as questionable.
The club was simply asked why the fee was high in another topic and you simply take that to not only personally attack them as a committee member of the Winton Motorcycle Club, but show others again that you are bad naming the club with your actions.
Me personally, I do not care what you charge for your ride days, but others that visit this site do, and where thinking of going, are going "what an idiot Alan is, and he represents the Winton Motorcycle Club", followed by, "why would I join a club like that or go to a meeting run by a club like that".
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 08:28:55 AM
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David, the point is THE CHARGE WASN'T 'HIGH'!
The circuit and the two clubs (cars AND bikes) must be economically/commercially viable or nobody will be able to race at Winton !
So again I ask, what will you do to help?
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 09:29:52 AM
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No it wasn't high, just that when another person placed that this is the charges from MV, then you where questioned on it, all you did was have a personal attack on those people that asked.quote:
Originally posted by acotrel
David, the point is THE CHARGE WASN'T 'HIGH'!
The circuit and the two clubs (cars AND bikes) must be economically/commercially viable or nobody will be able to race at Winton !
So again I ask, what will you do to help?
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
After the personal attacks from you, you have the cheek to ask for help from me, when you or the club have done nothing for this site apart from trying to get it taken down. Get real. 
This site was set to help Classic/Post Classic and Historic motorcycle racing in Australia, and the clubs it was meant to help have been the biggest whingers.. |
Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 9:20:50 PM
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David, I don't believe Patrick 'attacked' me, I was simply disappointed at your additional comments of the 'something doesn't add up type'. Personally I don't give a stuff what the charges were, actually they probably weren't high enough. I simply repeated them as I heard them from Heath Kennedy, who is directly involved.
Why are questions asked by yourself when the negotiation is strictly between the club and the customer? There was certainly no deception, as you implied! The comments made on this form by others than myself, on this matter were completely irrelevant and inappropriate.
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
P.S. I'm still asking for your HELP in promoting the new MX circuit, do you have a problem with that? |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 07 Jul 2006 : 05:28:34 AM
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Alan, did Patrick ask? No he did not, so I wasn't refeering to him. So you, "do not give a stuff what the teh charges were" and think that "they probably weren't high enough", and you being the Secretary of the Winton Motorcycle Club. Great advertisiment for the Winton Motorcycle Club on how to not only get new club members, but also how to retain the current club members, NOT. You should check your facts before posting as an official of a club as John Daley used to do.
You ask, "Why are questions asked by yourself when the negotiation is strictly between the club and the customer?", simply because I was looking to join a club and wanted to get my facts right before deciding, and I am affraid that the Winton Motorcycle Club will not get membership from me now. So you could say I was a potential customer, plus there are others that read here that wanted to know as they could of been potential customers as well.
So what you are saying by the comments from others, apart from yourself who ask for information, do not have a right to do so! Sounds like you can not handle questions as an offical of the Winton Motorcycle Club to me. You tell us all why you feel all other comments are "irrelevant and inappropriate", in your own words without the personal attacks on people? Can you do that?
I will help promote anything to do with Classic/Post Classic or Historic Motorcycle racing via this website. If it has nothing to do with Classic/Post Classic or Historic Motorcycles then I will simply remove it. This site was not setup to to promote "moderns" and I or the 1000+ visitors a day do not want to see it promoting moderns. |
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2006 : 5:31:43 PM
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David, The meeting I mentioned at the start of this topic is about Historic MX. We may end up having to run 'moderns' in the program to make the meeting viable. Would that cause an upset?
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2006 : 6:05:09 PM
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| David, if you have rules pertaining to this web site about 'moderns', you might consider putting them on the home page. A few years ago some guys in a club in Melbourne got a motion passed to limit racing support to historic bikes pre -62. I suggest you might define your idea of the term 'moderns'? The latest hosoric racing formula for bikes extends up to 1990, I believe. How does that sit with your requirements? |
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Alan
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Western Australia
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Posted - 07 Jul 2006 : 10:17:21 PM
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Alan I am closely connected to the local Vintage MotoCross Club here in WA and they will not ride on tracks that moderns use and will not share meetings with moderns. Moderns being classed as monoshock machines. This is because of the way the modern bikes chop up the track and make it unsuitable for the limited suspensions on Historics. I cant comment personally as I do not ride dirt bikes but this is a common observation from the Historic guys over here. It may be caused in part by the sandy nature of most tracks in WA or it may be relevant to all tracks. Best bet is to talk to the riders.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 06:04:49 AM
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Thanks Alan. We're about to do that, hence the call for expressions of interest from historic MX guys. The jumps on the track have only been built a short time and we were praying for rain to consolidate them. We then got a bit too much! The kids got their bikes filthy at the ride day, but even with the rain there was still dust rising from the jumps.
We've had a little bit of reshaping to do, but the ground here can actually set rock hard if it gets wet and then dries out again.
What I'd hope is that we could get enough interest to run an Historic MX meeting without having to use 'moderns' to fill the program.
What will not happen is, we won't run races for fields of typically six bikes in a class. We need full grids, and we wouldn't want to combine too many capacity classes.
Whether the meeting happens depends on how many guys are really interested in racing historic MX.
We can't afford to run any 'half-baked' meetings, it simply means our members lose interest in doing the work involved.
Anyway the offer is there, if you are an historic MX person, tell us what you want from the meeting. The contact is Matthew Ronke on (03) 5766 4235, he's prepared to listen to you.
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
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Patrick
Level 3 Member
Victoria
314 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2006 : 9:52:38 PM
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Just in case anyone reading this thread thinks that only one track caters for Historic MX [wash me mouth out]
Little old Broadford has two huge events coming up next year.
March 10/11 is the Sidecar Spectacular - teams from Europe etc and the Suzuki Classic 4 in May with riders and teams from US and Europe. This event will run from Wednesday till Sunday and if you are into dirt and old classic bikes, you will know all about it very soon.
For sure we will be keeping the dust down so that the road riders can use their circuit also during these events.
Of course we will have Classic Speedway and even a lot of Historic Road Racing on as well.
As one team owner [Mr Motocross himself] said yesterday Broadford is pure heaven for all motorcycle riders.
quote:- Craig Anderson 2006 AMX Champion " Broadford is the best MX track that I have been on this year - only problem [with a smile] it is in the wrong state."
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