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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 02 Jul 2009 : 1:14:43 PM
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I am out on a limb here. I have not shown my committee thsi which is a variation of an idea from John Feakes
" Event 1 125cc Solos, all eras.
Event 2 Classic Sidecars up to 650cc & Unlimited Sidecars
As 2008
Event 3 250cc Vintage and Classic
Event 4 350cc Vintage and Classic
As event 2 2008 but without Class C
Event 5 250cc Post Classic and Forgotten Era
Event 6 Post Classic & Forgotten Era Sidecars
As event 5 2008
Event 7 350cc Post Classic and Forgotten Era
Event 8 Vintage and Classic 500cc
Event 9 Post Classic and Forgotten Era 351 - 600cc
Event 10 Class C { maybe put with event 11}
Event 11 Vintage and Classic Unlimited
Event 12 Post Classic and Forgotten Era Unlimited
Pleasew rite yor views please.
I need eveidence thsi idea will help and I want others to give a view. Ringing up me or Toddy will not help because we will only get a limited viewpoint.
This issue has caused trouble beyound its importance so help is needed to fix the program.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 02 Jul 2009 1:15:54 PM |
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
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Posted - 02 Jul 2009 : 9:52:10 PM
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that all could work!,the 125's should be happy,thats all they wanted,the rest looks pretty straightforward,(well to me it does  ) |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 03 Jul 2009 : 10:40:59 AM
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PLEASE NOTE THE PUBLISHED PROGRAM WITHIN THE SUPP REGS IS WRONG.
WE HAD A PRINTING MIXUP> the regs listed here in a few hours and marked 3 July are correct.
The above proposal may take a bit longer to get agreeance on.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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revhd
Level 2 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 03 Jul 2009 : 12:30:19 PM
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| I recieved my regs. in the mail yesterday,,125cc all eras.are in with prewar,250 classics we are happy with that,leave it alone the regs are fine.!!!!!!!!!!! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2009 : 12:48:20 PM
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I have sent the correct Supp Regs with a different program.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2009 : 7:34:35 PM
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Well, good stuff there John. The 125s are all-in, and the 250 Classics have achieved their aim of being 125-free : 350 Post-classic used to be in with FE600, now it's with FE350. So good on you for doing what you can to shuffle it to suit as many as possible. Now I think it's incumbent on the 125 lads to get together and front up with a bumper entry, looking forward to seeing the result. The Southern Classic is always a blinder anyway from my point of view, but little tweaks like this can only help : hats off. BTW it looks as though we will be sending a few over from WA once more as well.Nice one ! |
Edited by - GD66 on 03 Jul 2009 7:36:06 PM |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 03 Jul 2009 : 9:48:49 PM
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Thanks GD for a moment I thought you were unhappy about the program.
Its nice to getv feedback, because we are guessing about what will work.
The real plan is to attract more riders and get an even better program, but it is not easy to achive. There are many conflicting interests. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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revhd
Level 2 Member
Victoria
108 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2009 : 1:59:56 PM
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| John i am confused please clarify for me which are the correct set of regs.,,,the ones you have listed here ,the ones i recieved in the mail or the ones on the HMRAV web site they are all different !!!! please clarify it for me,,,,thanks |
125 alliance |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2009 : 6:38:44 PM
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Everybody is confused.
Sometimes the wheels fall off when things get hurried.
The correct ones are dated July 3 2009 and I think Davbid has replaced them on thsi site.
Otherwise email me and I shall send the correct ones. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2009 : 4:22:47 PM
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Hi people, my computer went bung on me so I have been among the missing.
My proposal for the Southern Classic was to get back to capacity racing as was the norm back when I was a young bloke.
125cc all eras together.
250cc P2 race with P3
250cc P4 race with P5
350cc P2 race with P3
350cc P4 race with P5
500cc P2 race with P3
500cc P4 race with P5
U/L P2 race with P3
U/L P4 race with P5
S/C P2 race with P3
S/C P4 race with P5
Class C have their own race.
12 events as per last year's programme.
Race sequence could be programmed to give breathing time to those who wish to compete in more than one class.
Now it is up to the H.M.R.A.V. committee to say yes or no.
Cheers, John |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
A wise person simplifies the complicated, a fool complicates the simple. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2009 : 10:53:05 AM
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I need feedback on this in writing here so I can see the discussion and so can others.
125cc all eras together.
250cc P2 & P3
250cc P4 & P5
350cc P2 & P3
350cc P4 & P5
500cc P2 & P3 and Class C
500cc P4 & P5
U/L P2 & P3
U/L P4 & P5
Side Car Classic
Side car P4 & P5
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 11 Jul 2009 11:17:22 AM |
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freddie60
Level 1 Member
New South Wales
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Posted - 09 Jul 2009 : 9:06:35 PM
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I'm confused as well, Can we have the final(right) program posted.
Have already entered with a program that is not correct?
John Please post ASAP
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Edited by - freddie60 on 09 Jul 2009 9:08:36 PM |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2009 : 08:26:02 AM
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Freddie your request is not possible at the moment.
The mess was created by haste and I am working to slow the process down, to get the committee to consider all presentations slowly so we get a result that suits.
The more we rush the less likely the program will change. If and when it is, the acceptance letters will most likely have the final details so doubt worry yet, the event is 4 months away. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 10 Jul 2009 08:57:02 AM |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2009 : 4:02:55 PM
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Well, I see it's already been complicated.
What are "classic" sidecars?
Are they not period 2 or period 3?
So why do sidecars deserve more races than solos?
Leave it alone, keep it simple PLEASE.
Cheers, John |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
A wise person simplifies the complicated, a fool complicates the simple. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2009 : 09:39:48 AM
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Classic sidecars are P 2 and P3
There are no more races per class for sidecars than solos.
The speed differential between the machines is much freater than the difference for any solo machine. Also we have very full grids for P4 and P5 sidecars and they are growing in numbers.
The Classics also have growth from time to time and if their numbers are low we have put them in the P4 and P5 outfit event.
But some riders do have a sidecar in each class so we try and help them as we try and help the 350 and 500 solos |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 11 Jul 2009 09:52:10 AM |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2009 : 10:52:07 AM
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John you are confusing me.
We have P2 and P3 sidecars and we have P4 and P5 sidecars and then you have an extra sidecar class which you call "classic" sidecars. You tell me these are P2 and P3
but they are not having an extra race.
One race for P4 and P5 and 2 races for P2 and P3 suggests that P2 and P3 are having an extra race (at the expense of Class C).
Cheers, John |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
A wise person simplifies the complicated, a fool complicates the simple. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2009 : 11:16:34 AM
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| I stand corrected John, I missed the abbreviation. Sorry |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 11 Jul 2009 11:26:29 AM |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2009 : 12:16:51 PM
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Thanks John, now I think we are on the right track.
My only other comment would be that there are now eleven events whereas last year there were twelve. Back to Class C again!
What response (if any) has this received from the commitee?
Cheers, John |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
A wise person simplifies the complicated, a fool complicates the simple. |
Edited by - john feakes on 11 Jul 2009 12:26:07 PM |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2009 : 2:42:51 PM
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Well, for those of you who have not thought this proposal through I will explain that there are advantages but there are also disadvantages with my proposal.
On the up side safety is enhanced by only having similar bikes on track at any one time
and those who wish to compete in more than one class should be able to do so with a rest between events (this will depend on how the events are scheduled).
The downside is that each class will only get 2 races instead of 3 each day.
So the question is, do we go for quality or quantity?
Cheers, John |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
A wise person simplifies the complicated, a fool complicates the simple. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2009 : 7:37:16 PM
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John, you are pushing our luck.
P{eople want rides that is something I am sure of having listened to them over the years. But we may be able to get something happening, but only if we get feedback here.
Please dont ring Toddy up and harrang him at night, he cannot cope with all the calls. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2009 : 09:37:40 AM
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John, although in theory people would get less rides under this proposal they may actually get more rides.
If the events are scheduled correctly there could be many riders who could compete in more than one event.
This should encourage competitors to bring along more than one bike thus enhancing the grid numbers and the racing.
Unfortunately the greatest problem our sport suffers from is a lack of communication.
Web sites such as this provide a wonderful opportunity for us to get the message out but the problem remains. How many actually know about this site? How many don't know simply because computers are too complicated for them?
Perhaps we need to revert to jungle drums.
Please, all you who read this, call your mates and discuss this.
Give us feedback on your thoughts.
Are we heading in the right direction or not?
Get the word out there where it counts.
Cheers, John |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
A wise person simplifies the complicated, a fool complicates the simple. |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2009 : 10:22:16 AM
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| Has everyone died? |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
A wise person simplifies the complicated, a fool complicates the simple. |
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sleepy
Level 1 Member
New South Wales
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Posted - 14 Jul 2009 : 7:25:03 PM
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| John, Format looks good. Only 2 races might be a problem for some but better for the majority as there is more scope for more bikes and better & safer racing. Well done. |
Too much racing is never enough |
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2009 : 7:26:19 PM
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| Is it safe to assume that those of us in the farflung reaches of our vast continent may enter the Classic on the entry forms posted out, and then be accommodated to enter suitable events relevant to our entered machines ? In other words, should we enter now to guarantee a spot, or wait until the program is revised ? There is a swell of interest from WA once again, so we kind of need to know to assist with comms. Regards GD |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2009 : 10:42:34 PM
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| Enter now. Agreement may even have to wait until we have a plebasite at the event for all future events. I am drawing up a sheet and will ask racers to vote, then the committee will look at it. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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oldonk
Level 2 Member
Australian Capital Territory
84 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2009 : 12:59:43 PM
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Why not cretae a sheet with the two alternative programs sidebyside and ask for comment.
Maybe Mark Bondini and his 250cc classic needs to stop being a sook and ride with the 125's, from what I read he is the only one who wants the separation.
Is that correct? I cannot see anyother support for the cahnge. |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2009 : 4:34:19 PM
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This is not merely about keeping any P3 250 rider happy.
It started when the 125s were lumped in with P5 up to 600s. At the Victorian titles the 125s did not turn up because they didn't want to put themselves in danger.
This is about getting back to racing by capacity as it was "in the period".
This addresses the issue of on track safety,
it gives each capacity class the opportunity to showcase the bikes and it means that the spectators know that the bike in the lead is in the lead instead of having a class LEADER who could in fact be 7th or 9th on the road and therefore not be recognised as a leader.
It gives equal status to all capacity classes.
Please don't confuse the issue by reducing it to personal attacks on individual riders.
It is far bigger and more important than that.
Cheers, John |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
A wise person simplifies the complicated, a fool complicates the simple. |
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
570 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2009 : 11:08:26 PM
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| another good point to keep in mind is the newer riders,chucked in the deep end as before with bigger,faster next era up mixes is a bit disconcerting,& off putting,this "newer" reverting to "how it was" programe,should hopefully encourage "newbies",& maybe the "lost generations" of racers back on the track,give it a go!! |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2009 : 10:19:58 AM
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Just thought I would illustrate the clutter that occurred last year.
Event 2 had 3 races on track at the same time.
Event 3 had 2 races at the same time.
Event 4 was the exclusive domain of P3 500s, wow, a real race.
Event 6 had 4 races at the same time.
This isn't racing, it's a mishmash of bikes charging round a race track just like any ride day.
How can we promote this to attract spectators when the average spectator would have no idea what was actually going on?
Am I on my own?
Cheers, John |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
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Edited by - john feakes on 19 Jul 2009 10:26:40 AM |
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