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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 23 Feb 2010 : 1:40:55 PM
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I have formed an opinion during discussions at MV amd trackside that oil on tracks will cause us alot of grief in the future. No pun intended.
I may have a sixth sence, but if we dont act on it ourselves, it may be forced on us anyway.
I have drafted this note for the Historic community and I am publishing it for feedback and to show how we are thinking about dealing with the issue now, rather than later. Please feel free to add anything if you think it will help the situation.
Personly I would like to send a few machines home, but I have no support for that, so a softly, softly approach has to be developed so we dont get thrown off tracks.
If we dont do anything it may be very bad for us, no racing!
It is becoming very apparent to me that the issue of oil being dumped on the track will become a big issue in the future.
In the case of Historics, I am proposing that the HMRAV take a lead on the issue by encouraging an improvement on all machines before it is forced on us.
In the case of other clubs, I suggest they become pro active to get in first.
The track owners are taking a dim view of oil being dropped, it damages the track, takes a long time to clean up and can create a dangerous situation.
From the riders point of view, race time is being lost, so that is a benefit for them also. Preston MCC recently lost a whole days racing because of oil.
Bikes of all styles, modern and historic, solo and sidecars are responsible and I can see them all being targeted.
I have witnessed the use of garden hose, vinyl tubing and dilapidated hoses fastened with cable ties, tie wire poorly applied, worm drive clamps in poor condition, loose fittings, poorly fitted covers, stripped screws, loose drain plugs and poor fittings. The issue of radiators having coolant and not water, have also risen at modern events, with all sorts of excuses presented. Whilst there are many well presented machines incidents are happening.
PROPOSED ACTION
1. Insist on machine examination prior to Friday practice sessions by the operators of the practice session to minimize problems on Fridays which have occurred in the past.
2. Ensure machines are presented in a cleaned state to machine examination, if not sent away to be cleaned. I suggest we make a sign to this effect?
3. Inspect all machines when they come off the track when machines are hot.
4. Have somebody available to inspect all machines at the dummy grid.
5. Publicise the situation as often and widely as we can.
6. If necessary, run information sessions at the track after racing on Saturday to show what can be achieved and what is expected.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 23 Feb 2010 1:56:38 PM |
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Geoffpgrant
Level 3 Member
South Australia
204 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2010 : 5:48:27 PM
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Totally agree John. Let's keep the oil off the track! As I said in the 'other' oil topic catch trays, if they could be made to actually work would be a good thing too - but I have stated my problems with them.
In the meantime, I reckon scrutineering is a good place to start.
And yes, I also happen to agree that checking bikes coming from the track (like they do at Broadford most of the time) is a good thing. Once they picked up a small issue (a broken oil pump) on my bike that I had not realised at all. Whilst I may have found it in my between race checks but I may not have because it did not leak when the engine was stopped. Without their service I could easily have gone out again without noticing it. Now I know the oil pump on a two stroke only puts a few drips through but that is not the point. That quick check saved me embarrassment (and possibly a motor) - Thanks guys.
Geoff
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2010 : 8:20:33 PM
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| Good, pro-active policies. Patrick and other track operators will confirm that oildowns are their major gripe. Qualifying at the Island Classic became a lottery due to a track lubrication. No witch hunt required, but we should learn from it ! There's a bit of a bunker mentality still in place, but it's time to move on : as I've said elsewhere, I believe all remote oil coolers should have proper aircraft-quality fittings : and regular spot checks , let's face it, are NOT persecution, they're just looking out for all other competitors, and with an aim to keep the meeting running within the ever-present time constrictions, so we can all get our races in. If we don't sort it out ourselves, SOMEONE will step in and start waving the birch...and the rulebook... |
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
570 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2010 : 11:45:21 PM
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case in hand today ,600's at Phillip isle WSB, oops,look like loose engine cover on the replay,it was pissing out bigtime,just goes to show it can happen at the highest levels of our sport too |
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2010 : 4:45:06 PM
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Don't wish to be a Forum Hog, but jeez Mick, if only the World Supersport field had been force-legislated into fitting CRANKCASE END COVERS like our P4 and P5 bikes at the meeting were... |
Edited by - GD66 on 01 Mar 2010 4:47:31 PM |
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siral
Level 1 Member
New South Wales
10 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2010 : 6:17:34 PM
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G'Day 66
They tell me whitebait or mussles are good this time of year
Onya mate |
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Historic
Level 2 Member
New South Wales
46 Posts |
Posted - 02 Mar 2010 : 11:24:55 AM
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Sorry GD66 they are required. Just seems they don't work in all situation
extract from FIM regs;
2.4.8.11 Crankcase / Gearbox housing and lateral covers
Homologated materials and castings for crankcase and gearbox housing must be used. Material for crankcase and gearbox housing may only be added by welding or removed by machining.
Oil-pan (sump) may be altered or replaced.
Lateral (side) covers may be altered, modified or replaced. If altered or modified,the cover must have at least the same resistance to impact as the original one.
If replaced, the cover must be made in material of same or higher specific weight
and the total weight of the cover must not be less than the original one.
All lateral covers/engine cases containing oil and which could be in contact with the ground during a crash, must be protected by a second cover made from composite materials, type carbon or KevlarŪ. Plates and/or bars from aluminium or steel are also permitted. All these devices must be designed to be resistant against sudden shocks and must be fixed properly and securely.
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 02 Mar 2010 : 7:29:40 PM
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Oooh-er !!  |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 02 Mar 2010 : 9:17:05 PM
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OK we have all tried to shift blame, fault etc to everybody else.
Now we have to settle with the real deal.
As I said lets do the best we can to clean up our act and then we can watch the others as they wonder why they are trashing the track.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2010 : 10:03:25 AM
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It seems to me that there are 3 reasons for a bike leaking oil.
1/. Poor (or no) preparation.
2/. Engine disintegration.
3/. Crash damage.
1/. is inexcusable 2/. could be related to 1/. or could be just bad luck and 3/. is bad luck but has already been addressed via case protectors.
Perhaps we need a clause that scruffy ill prepared machines will not be allowed on the track.
Any thoughts?
Cheers, John |
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A wise person simplifies the complicated, a fool complicates the simple. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2010 : 10:50:09 AM
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| JF you are on the money, personally, I hope we adpot that stance. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Patrick
Level 3 Member
Victoria
314 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2010 : 9:00:12 PM
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John, yes exactly how we see it.
#2 & 3 are acceptable
#1 should not get past the dummy grid |
Edited by - Patrick on 05 Mar 2010 10:29:40 PM |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2010 : 09:00:16 AM
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So, perhaps a warning clause in the supp.regs. to this effect and more power to the scrutineers would be in order.
It can be done. |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2010 : 11:07:10 AM
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Personally I dont think anybody reads the supp regs.
I am hoping we can get through via the scrutineers, newsletters and riders briefing plus thsi site so we get an effective improvement. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2010 : 11:17:21 AM
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| The point of putting it in the supp.regs. is not necessarily that they will read it but more that they can't claim "I wasn't told about that". |
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Bretta
Level 2 Member
Victoria
57 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 8:40:37 PM
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Hello all ..... had an idea to share on this topic .....
Have a look in sidecar section of forum.
Cheers
Bretta
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