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JasonL
Level 3 Member
Victoria
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 Posted - 11 Dec 2010 : 08:24:48 AM
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P6 is now an official Historic class. Well done to all concerned in its inception. Now let's see who's prepared to run it.
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NicM
Level 2 Member
Victoria
85 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2010 : 3:35:16 PM
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Any one else notice this with a line through it? Might open the flood gates?
Major components are;
f) Carburettors. |
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revhd
Level 2 Member
Victoria
108 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2010 : 8:27:34 PM
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| Yes noticeed that ,does that mean any carb. can be fitted for any period of racing?? where did that come from. |
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Bummers
Level 3 Member
Queensland
244 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2010 : 8:29:57 PM
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| And carbon fibre is ok for P5 2-strokes. Weird - out of left field! |
“Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting.” Steve McQueen |
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JasonL
Level 3 Member
Victoria
240 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2010 : 8:49:38 PM
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Anybody like to talk about P6??
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2010 : 8:53:30 PM
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I am sure that there are lots of people tat want to talk about P6, that is why it has made it as an official class.
Surely this should get a few more people out there at the races as it has just become cheaper and easier to get parts for racing and a lot of people. |
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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revhd
Level 2 Member
Victoria
108 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2010 : 10:19:43 AM
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Yes i would like to talk about p6, lets hope hope some clubs include for 2011
Well my p6 rs125 is all ready to go,just waiting for a club to run the class,was hoping it would have been included for the island classic ,but not this year it seems but should be in for 2012 |
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revhd
Level 2 Member
Victoria
108 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2010 : 10:27:59 AM
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| Yes Bummers that carbon fibre rule is very strange,do no who pushed for that,looks like we will have to start making carbon fibre fairings etc. got get the that weight down eh. |
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Geoffpgrant
Level 3 Member
South Australia
204 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2010 : 11:00:58 AM
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I heard that they ran P6 at Mallala last week and had a 'good' field.
And re the issue with crossing out carburettors as major components - it does not change anything because there is other text which says minor components must still be visually of the period and then there are further restrictions for some periods (eg in P4 power jets are not allowed). Don't know why they really bothered to cross it out...
Geoff
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JasonL
Level 3 Member
Victoria
240 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2010 : 11:17:41 AM
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Revhd - Hartwell have been running P6 for a few years, albeit with modest numbers and few if any 2 strokes / 125's. They do also have a 125/250 class which, while running moderns, does have a few of the older bikes participate aswell. Or were you talking specifically historic clubs?? The Barry Sheene in April will be the first big meet where plenty of P6 bikes will be running as a new official class. |
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Bummers
Level 3 Member
Queensland
244 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2010 : 8:07:11 PM
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Hmmm....
What about PI AMCN Classic? They might alow P6 if enough people enquired & entered.
Last year they changed the Sup Regs at the last moment to allow the then new rule for riders to "bump up" a capacity class. |
“Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting.” Steve McQueen |
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NicM
Level 2 Member
Victoria
85 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2010 : 10:55:04 AM
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| Where are they going to fit all these classes? Will it mean even shorter races? |
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Geoffpgrant
Level 3 Member
South Australia
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Posted - 20 Dec 2010 : 2:49:54 PM
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That is the real question Nic! Already the track time per dollar is very limited at places like PI (especially if you are a sidecar and have not other classes to 'bump up' to). If they are going to take more track time out to enable P6 races then it won't be long and we will get one race per meeting...
Geoff
Sidecar #30 |
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JasonL
Level 3 Member
Victoria
240 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2010 : 5:07:10 PM
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| And the real answer is that it will be slow to get taken up mainly for this reason. It will probably be some time before a critical mass of P6 bikes make it hard to ignore at all levels. It will come in dribs and drabs - some big historic clubs and events will embrace them early on, some will not. There is going to be some interesting discussion around grids and race formats ahead. |
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2010 : 6:01:52 PM
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Time and support will tell. HMRAV have already indicated that their race programme is pretty well chock full, and that's hard to argue with. We in the Wild West have run Rule 20 for some years (for bikes 20 years old or more, but later than P5) which has always been a quite well-supported intro class, so for us it's little more than a name change. NSW has already more or less implemented it, as they've had to deal with poor entry numbers in other categories, on top of their other dramas with track access, being bullied by car-aligned groups, poor spectator support and struggling for volunteers, so for them it's been on the table for a couple of years already. Vic's best hope is probably that the P6 entrants don't already have a P5 bike, and to run the two categories together, and we all know THAT won't happen without someone bleating... |
Edited by - GD66 on 20 Dec 2010 6:08:05 PM |
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revhd
Level 2 Member
Victoria
108 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2010 : 08:17:08 AM
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| What is the log book position with p6,are they required for this class ,if are they being processed yet?? |
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JasonL
Level 3 Member
Victoria
240 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2010 : 10:54:43 AM
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Yes. The first P6 log book has already been issued. I'm getting mine ready right now. PCRA in NSW, with the largest P6 numbers, is advising memebers to get their bikes log booked sooner rather than later. |
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who
Level 2 Member
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Posted - 21 Dec 2010 : 12:47:33 PM
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Hi everyone, it's who here! I'm new...
I'm ecstatic about the inclusion of P6 as a historic event, and that there is a now somewhere P6 racing can be discussed and participated in a nationally unified way.
I don't think it will be long until you see grids filled with superbikes from the 80's...lol.
Does anyone have a bit more info on what the 750 class entails? I've been building a few bikes for the 750/1000 class, and finally I can make some relevant choices, regarding engine configuration/capacity.
Unfortunately, there have been years of the up to 1300cc type of thinking, and many bikes that should have probably remained 750cc have been maxed out to 1000cc or above.
How is the log-booking process going to determine capacity of the bike presented? Does 750cc allow for over-sizes available for the engine by the manufacturer? Will say a FZR1000 with a 1070 kit from wiseco be eligible? Will an OW01 with a 888cc top end be allowed to run? (they where run in the era)?
Looking forward to any feedback. Cheers.
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2010 : 6:46:16 PM
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| No info as yet on the capacity class divisions, but MA classes have traditionally permitted an overbore factor of 5%, so a bike with a nominal capacity limit of 1000cc would be allowed an overbore permitted capacity of 1050cc. Will be interesting to see if a 750 class is introduced, and why not considering the staggering number of GSX-R 750 Suzukis that were race-kitted in the mid-eighties, and must have been festering in sheds all round the nation ever since... |
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JasonL
Level 3 Member
Victoria
240 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2010 : 8:49:53 PM
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Dear Mr Who (or is it Ms or even Dr?)
Given the timing and tone of your post I'm almost inclined to think it's a wind up but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say welcome, nice to see a kindred spirit on this forum! You said building a few bikes? How many are we talking about here and are they all P6 or other eras?? Tell us more!
If a 750 is no longer a 750 by more than the 5% then its in with the 1000's. How will the log book process determine capacity of the bike presented?? Honesty first, if that fails then suspicion later! |
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who
Level 2 Member
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Posted - 21 Dec 2010 : 11:27:20 PM
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GD66, Jason, Thanks for the welcome! Who would it be best to talk to in relation to getting something in writing. MA?
So will the GSXR's that have had 1100 engines shoe horned into them be eligible for the 1000cc class if that is the case??
One of my bikes is a FZ750, it is a genuine racebike from the era. I have just about finished a 950cc upgrade, but I'm now thinking I will put the original top end back on it, and retain it's 750 eligibility.
I also have a couple of OW01's put aside for racing that I have 1000cc top ends for as well as the original motors, so I will now probably go down the purist road and leave them 750... I have a few other projects on the go as well:-)
I'm glad this is almost firmed up, as I'm sure a lot of people have been sitting on their hands waiting for something to happen as I have been.
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2010 : 12:26:49 AM
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Originally posted by who
GD66, Jason, Thanks for the welcome! Who would it be best to talk to in relation to getting something in writing. MA?
You could try Ross Martin at MA HQ, his email is commissions@ma.org.au . He has good knowledge and will be helpful, I'm sure. The MA ph no is 03 9684 0500
Regards GD |
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JasonL
Level 3 Member
Victoria
240 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2010 : 09:10:17 AM
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Blimey, a couple of race OW01's plus FZ and more?? You'll be busy...
There is the option for people to sleeve down 1100's but really, how many will??
Note the P6 rules are only going to matter at state and national level - at local club level things can still be as per that club -for example PCRA in NSW have already stated they will allow 1100's to run in their P6 club championship. What state are you in? Have you already been running any of your bikes? PCRA have the biggest P6 numbers, there are a few in Vic, WA and SA, don't know about Qld NT and Tas. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2011 : 6:05:27 PM
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Just for the record 750cc means 750 plus NO More than 5 % over size.
But if you go straight to the max there will be no more room for another re bore when things wera out.
Preston and Hartwell have been running nicely with P6 style of machines and I am confident they will continue to allow for them.
The HMRAV just does not have any room at this stage in its programs, but they have been working with Hartwell and Preston at the Management committee levels for a few years now to encourage P and H to promote P6 solos.
The inter club group have also welcomed the P6 style of machine, solo and sidecar.
As for P6 sidecars they have been promoted as well as the solos at Preston, Hartwell and inter club level and I doubt they would fit well at the HMRAV meetings unless a full grid came along because they are too different from the existing Historic sidecars w.r to speed and racing style. I actually have a P6 outfit so I have an interest in the outcome of P6 sidecars. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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JasonL
Level 3 Member
Victoria
240 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2011 : 6:45:43 PM
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John,
Understand the HMRAV program issue.
FYI only Hartwell have run P6, neither Vic titles or Interclub have offered / had any P6 bikes bar one entry at one round for Interclub last year. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2011 : 08:27:14 AM
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Preston have explained they offer, Pre Modern.
Now that could be altered with an approach to them to specify P6 specificly as well. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Geoffpgrant
Level 3 Member
South Australia
204 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2011 : 12:00:08 PM
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I am curious as to what might define a P6 sidecar from a modern. Surely for P6 we would have to allow long bikes, rear engines, liquid cooling, bigger slicks than P5 so apart from the model of the engine what else would have to be different. And you can see what I am getting at can't you? Modern sidecar with slightly older engine slotted in and you have a P6! Or don't you? Just curious...
Geoff
Sidecar #30 (very solidly P4) |
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who
Level 2 Member
36 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2011 : 11:03:12 PM
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I spoke with Ross at MA, and while he is happy about the advent of the new historic class, he like everyone else knows little about the detail. I asked if I could respectfully submit some comment on the new rule set, and he said he was more than happy to review any constructive input.
P6 is a reality, a historic class of racing. I'm sure it will shape up into a class of competition that is both popular and within reach of all that have a love of these machines. There seems at present little support for this new era of racing(P6) But I doubt that will be the case forever.
Thanks for the constructive input and direction. Cheers. |
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2011 : 11:21:00 PM
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| It's not that there's little support, it's just NEW, which everyone in historic racing is automatically programmed against... you'll find in the end it'll be the saviour of historic racing. One thing that has been a surprise is that they're looking at P6 being for 250 production, Formula 750 and 1000cc classes....missing the number of eligible 350 and 500 machines that would fit within the class outlines. But as you say, early days.... |
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sidecar 38
Level 1 Member
Victoria
4 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2011 : 2:37:41 PM
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| When i started racing at interclub Iwas racing in p6 class on a RGV250 and that was about seven years ago {have trophey at home |
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mboddy
Level 2 Member
Australian Capital Territory
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Posted - 13 Jan 2011 : 08:52:58 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by john
Just for the record 750cc means 750 plus NO More than 5 % over size.
Because someone forgot to add Period 6 to the 5% oversize rule it is currently 2%. |
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P6 is up
