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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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 Posted - 20 Sep 2005 : 11:28:11 AM
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As per the request from Ross Martin, his account has now been removed from the site. Obviously MA wishes to show their support to their members by not wanting to share news with the Historic racing community.
For those who thought that this was a good outlet to find out what is going on in your sport, I am sorry to say that I am selling this site and it's contents to the highest bidder.
Way too many idiots not only running the sport, but trying steal stuff or fu%king it for the bloke/gal trying to help it out.
Special mention to Snoozer here. Go for your hearts content and shove it up the sport to get it way better than it currently sits.
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Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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Tony
Level 1 Member
Queensland
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 10:51:43 AM
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I don't think the loss of Ross Martin is much of a loss at all. We would be far better off with someone from MA who put the organisations view forward, not their own. Mr Martin was all too willing to put forward his own views on how the sport should be.
Personnally I was kept from racing for 6 months, missed the NSW Titles and had to go to a lot of bother proving something that should not have been questioned in the first place. I have two outfits that had been raced across the east coast for years and comply with the current GCR's, however they were deemed ineligible, as they are fitted with leading link front ends not telescopic.
Thankfully as a result of the input of member clubs at a recent National get together and a lot of research by myself and some friends, I now have Log Books and it looks good for Symmons Plains. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 6:47:22 PM
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Have you ever asked Ross Martin what direction he really believes Historic racing should take in Australia? If you believe there isn't a problem with what's happened over the years since 1973, I suggest you're deluding yourself. I'd ask one question of you - 'How many AUTHENTIC historic bikes are still being raced in Victoria'? The only ones I've seen have been at the oldies meeting at Mt Gambier, and about 2 others that still turn up to a few race meetings.
So perhaps Ross Martin has a few justified concerns?
I suggest you stop the character assassination attempts, and in your next post state who you are! It might be comfortable for members of this forum to hide behind anonimity, but it really p*sses me off!
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
353 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 11:28:13 PM
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I think the guy uses his name which looks as if it is Tony at least that gives us a clue. How many people would know who "acotrel" really is except for the Vics and those who put up with your ramblings before you got removed from this site. For what its worth I agree with you about aliases etc which is why I always make it very clear who I am when I make a post.
As for the character assassination I thought his comments were reasonable considering he seems to have got a log book or log books after being rejected without making machinery changes. You continually make comments about authentic and so on but surely all one has to do is to comply with the GCRs and not what you or I or Ross or anyone else believes should be the case.
I will make it clear that I am a supporter of the GCRs , Log Books and MA and also have no personal gripe with Ross or anyone else at MA for that matter, however I will always speak my mind which is most likely why I am not on the Commission any more but I can live with that.
I will add to the conversation though by suggesting that while we still have access to this site we focus more on positives, its the negatives that have spoilt what could have been a very useful tool for improving our sport but one or two individuals spoilt it by continually being abusive and destructive. This has resulted in a large number of people not contributing to the discussions which in return has limited this sites effectiveness. Bloody shame if you ask me.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2005 : 11:33:52 PM
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| I simply get sick and tired of hearing about Ross Martin from Snoozer and others. MA must be incorporated in one of the Australian states, and the articles of incorporation are usually standard format intended to promote democratic running of organisations. Ross Martin is only one person, and David White is his boss. All this stuff about Ross Martin pushing his own barrow is wearing a bit thin. If anyone feels the democratic process has been interfered with they should take appropriate action, otherwise forget it. |
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
353 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2005 : 11:09:38 PM
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Alan you have missed the point totally, Snoozer has not been around for ages so I cant understand why you are leaning on her for an excuse.
If you had read what Tony wrote and the intent behind his writings it was actually a complaint about the process he had to go through to obtain a Log Book. To have one rejected for six months and then to have it allowed without making major change to his machine/s will obviously get under his skin. Several others that I know of have had similar problems and they havent originated with the Commission or the guys doing the assessments of the Log Books so you work it out. If MA gets serious and does allow for State based inspectors we will then have the opportunity to have one on one on site assessments of machines that have possible problems and get them resolved in a more timely way. Until then and while we are reliant on photos and the honesty of applicants there is always going to be a problem.
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2005 : 07:51:24 AM
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One of the reasons I was reluctant to come back onto this forum is the negativity associated with it. I recognise that Tony has a problem with his logbook, however if I had the same problem muself I'd try to actually go to MA in South Melbourne and fix it. I believe Tony is in Queensland so it's probably expensive to even use the phone to talk to Ross. What I'm really concerned with is the continual backbiting, it doesn't help anyone. Snoozer in particular should have been moderated out of this forum.
Someone has to do the job of issuing and controlling logbooks. It happens to be Ross now, who will it be next?
I suggest the question that should be asked is - what are the MA guidelines for issuing logbooks? Are they included in a public document. If you believe Ross is behaving arbitrarily, you can do something about it. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2005 : 08:01:24 AM
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I suggest logbooks should contain an authenticity rating, and that every historic bike submitted to the assessors should at least be rated as 'C grade'. It should be left to promoters to decide whether they want 'unauthentic' machines at their events.
If someone wants to run a premier event they can specify what grade of bikes they want at it, and you'd probably exclude C grade bikes from championships. But at least everyone would get a run. I believe we should be trying to get people into the sport, not excluding them. I believe the logbook idea is good, but if it drives riders away it should be fixed so it helps the sport. |
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Yami9876
Level 1 Member
New South Wales
8 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 10:45:50 AM
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I BELIEVE HISTORIC RACING SHOULD GO BACK TO WHAT IT WAS IN THE PERIOD, IT IS GETTING OUT OF CONTROL, CAPACITYS MODIFICATIONS EVERYTHING, MAKE IT FAIR FOR EVERYONE, AND AFFORDABLE.
PS SPEACIALS SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN CLASS
IE 50 GRAND WORTH OF COSWORTH NORTON VS 2 GRAND WORTH OF T500? |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2005 : 7:06:49 PM
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Anybody who brings out $50,000 worth of Cosworth Norton to an Australian Historic meeting is a really good guy in my opinion. I want to see the Britten, the F Model Manx Norton, the Paton 500, all the racing MVs and Guzzis, the Velocette Roarer, the Peter Williams Norton Commandos - all the genuine sh*theaps. I don't want to ever see a converted road bike on a race circuit again!!
I know it's all about 'fun' but you don't get the really good stuff from overseas coming here. What are they going to run against? |
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
570 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2005 : 11:15:23 PM
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David,i can't seem to find the "smiley" for ****er??,   just dosen't come close!!, |
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Yami9876
Level 1 Member
New South Wales
8 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2005 : 11:49:16 AM
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| Mr Cottrel, I sort of agree with you on the road bike thing, though those -****- heap road bikes are a cheap entry level machines for people to start out, that is how I started, though it seems that only a limited few can aford these such bikes as the Paton (nice) read the write up in classic racer, though if we had people getting out there on fully hotted up speacialized machines AS beginners there would be alot of people getting hurt, I myself am getting into TZ's. in my opinion they are the cheapest specialty machines. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2005 : 09:19:32 AM
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TZs are really good things, however racing them can get expensive. One of the reasons I really support New Era 1 & 2 is that it will give a venue that will accomodate the 80s TZs. All those V twin TZs should be saved if possible. The way to keep them alive is to race them. There's nothing nicer than a good factory built production racer. I recognise the value in converted street bikes, they give the guys an entry level machine, but a real racer is always better to own, and it certainly has more 'intrinsic value' (and I'm not talking about money.
I bought my TZ350G about 6 years ago, and I've rarely ridden it, the Seeley Norton is the love of my life. However when I bought the TZ I looked down the inlet ports, and couldn't see the bridge, so it's not a G engine. I still bought it, its just so clean and genuine in every other way.
I'll be racing it next year because the Norton is a 'waste of space' when it comes to getting a competitive ride. I believe the TZ will be more fun. |
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