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lone_ranger
Level 1 Member
Victoria
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 Posted - 26 Jun 2006 : 5:11:12 PM
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as an ex member of the winton m/cycle club, I was most interested in alan cotrell's reply re: 2004 championships at winton, and how good the club is.
The club is so go-ahead, their web-site has not been updated for three years, and just try to find out when a track-day is scheduled.
I had to go to Broadfords site to find out.
scotty hulme.
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 26 Jun 2006 : 6:05:08 PM
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Scotty, you'll find a notice at
www.wintonraceway.com.au
also in the Benalla Ensign, The Shepparton Chronicle, and the Albury Border Mail, last week and this week.
The ride day is next weekend sunday 2nd July on the new motocross track.
Best REgards,
Alan Cotterell
P.S. Glad your interested in coming along, you are very welcome. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 26 Jun 2006 : 6:43:09 PM
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Scotty, I've just spoken to Heath Kennedy from Geoff's Auto Spares In Wangaratta, who's running the ride day. The charge for the day is $70, comprised of $40 day licence (if you don't already have one), and $10 MA rider's levy. $20 per rider goes to Winton Motorcycle Club towards our debt from creating the circuit.
We're always looking for help, so if you are all fired up we'd like to have you on the committee.
Sorry I couldn't tell you more earlier, I'm recovering from a double heart bypass operation, and I'm pretty much out of it.
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 26 Jun 2006 : 6:58:17 PM
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| The above post have been split from the other topic as they are nto related to the Old Bike Mag. Please keep on a topic, if you have other comments to make on another topic, please start a new topic. |
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 06:35:23 AM
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There are a lot of people from the north-east region who've been working very hard to get the Winton MX circuit up and going. It's pretty cold, these nights, yet we still get to club meetings, and the guys have been out at the facility on weekends driving tractors. We are about to approach the local council to get them to back an application for a grant for a watering system, generator, and clubrooms. We've found it's impossible to make a direct approach to the Vic Government, and we don't want to go through MA/MV, they have projects elsewhere, and any money granted to Winton through them would probably mean less for others.
The notice in the Benalla Ensign will appear next Wednesday, a few days later we will be back to the council.
The MX track at Winton is intended to help the kids throughout the region as well as eventually fund other motorcycle events, such as road races.
The event next Sunday the 2nd July will be a milestone in a programme which has been running for 3 years to date.
It might look like 'big ideas', however it's achievable, and on the way!
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
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Patrick
Level 3 Member
Victoria
314 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 9:53:13 PM
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| Rang MV and a one day licence for a ride day is $15 + $10 insurance levy. |
Edited by - Patrick on 27 Jun 2006 9:57:19 PM |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 7:33:17 PM
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I believe the insurance for the race practice day isn't coming from MV. I'm not sure what the arrangement is, or the charges when the insurance comes from other sources.
Also I believe , I've actually found a way to someone who will pay for TV content - what does that mean to you?
As far as the likes of Scotty are concerned, I'd ask what is he doing to try to help motorcycle racing in Vic/Australia?
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Patrick
Level 3 Member
Victoria
314 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 11:12:41 PM
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I can assure all race fans and MX riders that there is only one insurance/rider levy applied [ so we have another $10 to deduct from Davids workings]!
To be fair to Winton and other MX tracks that are starting up in Victoria - it is a very costly and time consuming excercise to get a new track up and running.
But all should be up front with the charges. From where I tap on the keyboard I see a large variation in what is reported.
It is great Alan that you have someone to pay for TV content?
Round 8 of the Australian MX titles are at Broadford on Sunday week - July 9th. This will go free to air plus PayTV.
In Europe various networks still play the great high speed footage that was shot at the world final of the SuperMoto series held at Broadford a couple of years ago.
Wish you well with your endeavours for MX from Winton. |
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David
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Australia
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
570 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 1:20:33 PM
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hey Scotty,set of knobbies on the susy mate?  ,have to take the fairing off too,otherwise the wide bars will be too resticted, ,memo to AC,not the trackday Scotty had in mind??  , |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2006 : 10:44:31 PM
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Patrick, I'll give you a ring sometime about covering events by TV. I'd have really liked to have had the 2004 Historic Championships televised, however the way things were back then, we could have easily recorded a total loss of production costs. I'm really pleased you are getting the round of Mr Motocross free to air, we really need to do that much more often, if the sport is to grow.
I've been searching for months for a way to dependably recover TV production costs, without stinging competitors.
FYI the Race Practice day was a real success, and it's a milestone for us. My reasons for starting the Winton Motorcycle Club weren't primarily related to motocross. It was about running road race meetings, and getting new starters from the MX arena involved.
I'm not sure of the cost structure for the day, but anything collected will really benefit riders. The money doesn't go into consolidated revenue, it is to be used to pay off our debt to Benalla Auto Club, and after that to fund the deveopment of a road race program.
I don't know why David is so interested in what was made from the meeting, he's not even a club member, and certainly not on a committee! He'd be very welcome to come along and help.
The main thing is that the little kids that were all fired up when we started 3 years ago, have got their track. It was a real buzz to see the A graders using the track. It's pretty fast, and the design is a credit to Heath Kennedy, and the top riders who advised him.
Best Regards,
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2006 : 05:20:42 AM
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Alan, you do not have to be a club member or a committee member to work out that something doesn't add up with what was quoted. You see this is the type of thing that turns people off from actually joining clubs, as they are not told all the information.
I am sure others are interested in where their fees are going to, including potential new members, but just not game enough to ask as I am.quote:
Originally posted by acotrel
I don't know why David is so interested in what was made from the meeting, he's not even a club member, and certainly not on a committee! He'd be very welcome to come along and help.
Given the way that I have dealings with you in the past, I think I will pass on the help, after all, I do not see eye to eye with you.
As an FYI as well, I did just go to the Winton Motorcycle Club's site and the most up to date piece of information for any event was to do with was a committee meeting scheduled on the 7th December 2004. The site has not been updated since the 28th April 2004 as that is when this information was posted:
"The Winton Motorcycle Club held its 2nd Annual General Meeting yesterday April 27th 2004 which saw nominations taken for the position of committee members and executives of the committee."
(source: Winton Motorcycle Club website) |
Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2006 : 06:51:01 AM
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David, I don't believe you'd ever been a member of a motorcycle club. The charges I quoted for the Race Practice day were told to me by Heath Kennedy, and I passed them on to you. Your 'something doesn't add up' comment is simply nonsense. You and Patrick seem to have assumed that the normal MV charges would apply. As I said to you previously, the insurance probably didn't come from MV, and in any case the cost structure is transparent and fully known to any CLUB MEMBER interested.
Let me ask you this - the day on the new motocross circuit cost $30 (if you already had a lice nce). How much does Friday practice on the bitumen at Winton cost? How much is a reasonable charge for practice on a new motocross circuit? Do you believe it should be free? We don't have dirt available for making jumps in Benalla, to build them we had dig out the dam to a much larger size using contactors, and volunteers with hired equipment, and move the earth around the circuit. Don't you believe that cost should be recovered, (and what business is it of yours anyway)? CLUB MEMBERS know where very dollar was spent, and we still have a substantial debt. How about a donation, then you wouldn't even have to come up here in the freezing cold nights to attend club meetings?
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2006 : 08:58:47 AM
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Alan, I did mention that $20.00 (as you stated) went to the club to pay for the debt in my breakdown. I thought that you where trying to make racing cheaper (as we all know it costs money), yet you are saying that you are using a more expensive insurance rather than the one that was quoted by Patrick. And if it don't make sense to me, then it sure as hell isn't going to make sense to others, including your club members.
I may not have and never been a MA club member, but I don't need to be to make a difference to the sport as this website has shown. What has the MX track have to do with Classic Motorcycling in Australia that you are hell bent on promoting?
The business I have with it, is that it gives me a guide on what to expect when I do join a MA affiliated club, if I decide too, and it is helps others by me asking what is now being deemed as "the hard questions", to which you can only attack people who ask the questions in public.
Why should I donate to a club like yours, when I have had no support in the number of years from your club? I have had a small handful of advertisers on this site that relates to about $50.00 on average a year in support for the entire time the site has been running.
All I am now going to say, so much for openness from Winton Motorcycle Club through you. Just keep attacking the people that ask the questions to get an idea if it is a good club to join or not. Maybe that is why Scotty left the club as he seen the way it was heading with you on the committee!
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Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 06:14:23 AM
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David, anyone who joins the club can view the books, and they can take Winton Motorcycle Club to the ACCC if refused access.
So what are you trying to say? As far as your question 'what is the MX track going to do for classic motorcycling in Australia, Please see the new topic I'm about to post, on Historic MX.
You might like to come along and help.
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 09:00:34 AM
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| Now you are promoting historic MX which is fine, but earlier it was just straight MX and nothing about historic, even the Winton website was not promoting Historic MX, but more modern MX. |
Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 5:10:02 PM
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David, the Charges for the Race Practice Day were:
$30 entry fee, of which $10 went to MV as Rider's levy, $20 to Winton Motorcycle Club.
Day licences were $15, all of which goes to MV.
Winton Motorcycle Club membership is $50 for a Senior, $30 for a Junior, and I believe all who rode last Sunday were members.
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
Secretary,
Winton Motorcycle Club |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 6:04:14 PM
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Alan, let me get this right, now what you are saying is this:
$10.00 MV Riders Levy/Insurance
$20.00 to Winton coffers
$15.00 MV Day licence
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$45.00 <------- Still the same
$50.00 add for non-member adult
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$95.00 for the day.
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Originally posted by acotrel
David, the Charges for the Race Practice Day were:
$30 entry fee, of which $10 went to MV as Rider's levy, $20 to Winton Motorcycle Club.
Day licences were $15, all of which goes to MV.
Winton Motorcycle Club membership is $50 for a Senior, $30 for a Junior, and I believe all who rode last Sunday were members.
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
Secretary,
Winton Motorcycle Club
Just keep opening your mouth further and the other foot will fall straight in to it. The fee gets bigger, and now you admit to the double dip, so why would people want to go? (rhetorical question)
Good luck with the ride day, no matter what you charge for it.
[edit]Noticed an error with the re-calculations as the $30.00 consisted of the $10 and $20 figure, but the thing was the same as what was typed earlier[/edit] |
Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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